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oli

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My question is why omit the whipped cream layer?

Italian Rum Cake is a delicious 3 or 4 layer cake, which is a tradition for birthdays/special occasions in many Italian families. There are 3 basic parts to the cake; sponge cake layers, pasticciera cream (filling) and (stabilized) whipped cream. Below are the recipes for all three parts. If you make it with 3 layers, omit the whipped cream layer. The sponge cake and pasticciera creams may be made a day ahead. The whipped cream should be whipped just before assembling the cake. Prep/Cook times do not include the 3-4 hour chilling time for the pasticciera cream.

 
The only thing that I can come up with that the weight of the cake may make the...

it slide--doesn't seem right tho.

We always had one on birthdays and they usually had pastry cream between layers--sometimes vanilla sometimes vanilla and chocolate--sometimes a ricotta filling like the filling in a canolli.

Usually some type of fruit too--peaches or strawberries.

You always had the option of whipped cream or buttercream.

And the sides were coated with toasted sliced almonds.

 
Here you go

Italian Sponge Cake Pan di Spagna
5 egg yolks
5 egg whites
1 1/2 C sugar
1 1/4 C pastry flour, sifted
1 t vanilla
1/2 t grated fresh lemon rind (optional)

Italian Pastry Cream Pasticciera Cream
3 T sugar (or confectioner's sugar)
3 egg yolks
3 T flour
1/2 t vanilla
2 C whole milk
1 T butter

Chocolate Pasticciera Cream
3 T sugar (or confectioner's sugar)
3 egg yolks
3 T flour
1/2 t vanilla
2 C whole milk
2 oz. baking chocolate, grated
1 T butter

Rum Syrup
1/4 C dark rum or 1 T rum flavoring (light rum may be used in place of dark)
1/3 C water
1/2 C sugar

Corn Syrup Method
2 C heavy cream
1/2-1 t vanilla
2 t light corn syrup

Gelatin Method
2 C heavy cream
2 T cold water
1 t unflavored gelatin
1 t vanilla
1-2 T sugar

 
Okay, you got it.

1 Italian Sponge Cake (Pan di Spagna): Place egg yolks and sugar in a mixing bowl and beat until lemon colored.
2 Add flour, a little at a time, blending it in well.
3 Add vanilla and lemon rind (if using it).
4 Beat egg whites until stiff but not dry and fold into cake mixture.
5 Butter and flour an 18-inch square (or a 9 x 13 x 3, or a 11 x 17 x 2inch half-sheet) cake pan, (make sure pan size will fit your oven; you could also use three 8 or 9inch layer pans).
6 Pour cake batter into prepared pan(s) and bake at 375°F for 40 minutes, or until toothpick inserted in center comes out clean.
7 Remove cake from oven and turn out (of pan) onto a cake rack to cool completely.
8 Cake can be tightly wrapped and refrigerated overnight, or frozen (up to 3 weeks) for future use.
9 Italian Pastry Cream (Pasticciera Cream): Place sugar, egg yolks, flour, lemon rind (if using it), and vanilla in a sauce pan and mix together well.
10 In a separate sauce pan, scald milk.
11 Very slowly pour milk over egg yolk mixture, in a thin stream, beating constantly with rotary beater.
12 Continue cooking on low heat, stirring with a wooden spoon, until mixture reaches the boiling point.
13 Cook 4 minutes longer, stirring constantly.
14 Remove pan from heat, add butter and mix well.
15 Pour into bowl and let cool, stir occasionally to prevent skin from forming over the top.
16 If using as a filling, chill (with plastic wrap pressed onto the surface to prevent a skin from forming) until very thick (about 3-4 hours).
17 Chocolate Pasticciera Cream: Place sugar, egg yolks flour, and vanilla in a sauce pan and mix together well.
18 In a separate sauce pan, scald milk.
19 Very slowly pour milk over egg yolk mixture, in a thin stream, beating constantly with rotary beater.
20 Continue cooking on low heat, stirring with a wooden spoon, until mixture reaches the boiling point.
21 Cook 4 minutes longer, stirring constantly.
22 Add chocolate and while stirring, cook 1 minute longer.
23 Remove pan from heat, add butter and mix well.
24 Pour into bowl and let cool, stir occasionally to prevent skin from forming over the top.
25 If using as a filling, chill (with plastic wrap pressed onto the surface to prevent a skin from forming) until very thick (about 3-4 hours).
26 Rum Syrup*: Mix together the water, sugar, and rum in a small pot.
27 Bring to a boil, and stir until the sugar is dissolved.
28 Remove from the heat and cool before using.
29*NOTE:If you prefer not to use rum syrup, you may sprinkle/brush cake layers with 1/3 cup rum which has been diluted with 1/4 cup water.
30 Stabilized Whipped Cream - Corn Syrup Method: In a large chilled bowl, with chilled beaters, beat cold cream until it just starts to thicken.
31 Add corn syrup and vanilla from the side of the bowl, and beat until stiff peaks form.
32 Stabilized Whipped Cream - Gelatin Method: Prepare gelatin- Soak plain gelatin in cold water for 5 min.
33 Dissolve by placing it in a container over a small pot of simmering water, stir until dissolved.
34 Set aside to cool before using.
35 In a large well-chilled bowl, with well chilled beaters, beat cream with electric mixer.
36 Just before it becomes soft & billowy, slowly add the sugar & vanilla to the whipped cream at the sides of the bowl, continue to whip as you do.
37 Whip the cream until barely stiff.
38 Add melted and cooled gelatin all at once to cream during whipping.
39 Stop whipping when cream forms soft peaks.
40 Finish beating with whisk to adjust consistency to stiff peaks.
41Use/serve immediately or cover and refrigerate until needed.
42 If peaks have softened during refrigeration, rewhip by hand using a whisk.
43 Rum Cake Assembly Instructions: Slice sponge cake in half to form two 9 x 18-inch layers Using a long, thin bladed knife, cut/split each layer in half lengthwise making four thin 9 x 18-inch layers.
44 Place bottom sponge layer on platter cut side up, sprinkle/brush with about 1/4 of the rum, be careful not to get the cake too wet, or layers will become soggy.
45 Allow sprinkled/brushed rum to soak into the cake for about 5 minutes.
46 Sprinkle/brush remaining sponge layers (on the cut side) evenly with remaining rum.
47 Spread a layer of vanilla pasticciera cream on the first sponge layer.
48 Top the vanilla cream layer with another layer of rum sprinkled sponge cake.
49 Spread a layer of stabilized whipped cream on the second sponge layer.
50 Top the whipped cream layer with another layer of rum sprinkled sponge cake.
51 Spread a layer of chocolate pasticciera cream on the third sponge layer.
52 Top the chocolate layer with the last layer of sponge cake.
53 Frost the top sponge cake layer (and sides of cake, optional) with remaining stabilized whipped cream.
54 Cover and refrigerate 1 hour before serving.
55 Refrigerate any leftovers.

 
thanks for the info, oli. Here's my Cliff Notes summary of all those steps.

1. Make a sponge (genoise) cake. Cool and split into 4 layers.
2. Make dense vanilla pastry cream.
3. Make dense chocolate pastry cream.
4. Make stabilized whipped cream.

Since both pastry creams are naturally heavier than the whipped cream, they may be saying to omit it as a filling between the vanilla and the chocolate. It would compress.
But you could put pastry cream on the bottom, then cake, then whipped cream, then cake, then more whipped cream. That wouldn't be a problem. Or fold whipped cream into either of the pastry creams and use THAT as the top most filling.

Personally, I'm a fan of pastry cream so I'd use 3 layers of cake, use both pastry creams and just frost the entire thing in whipped cream. Freeze remaining cake layer >> or crumble, toast lightly and press into sides of cake frosted with whipped cream icing.

 
It is also two different types of layers--a 4 layer cake that is 9X13 with thin layers

and a 3 layer cake with layers that are more than an inch thick (I would assume). The thin layers could take the addition of whipped cream, I think, and the added weight of thicker layers would squeeze the filling of a soft whipped cream. Just my thoughts.

 
The recipe gives 4 different options for possible pan sizes, the instructions

are for using the original 18 inch square baking pan.

5 Butter and flour an 18-inch square
(or a 9 x 13 x 3, or a 11 x 17 x 2 inch half-sheet) cake pan,

(Make sure pan size will fit your oven; you could also use three 8 or 9 inch layer pans).

43 Rum Cake Assembly Instructions:
Slice (the 18 inch square) sponge cake in half to form two 9 x 18-inch layers. Using a long, thin bladed knife, cut/split each layer in half lengthwise making four thin 9 x 18-inch layers.

 
If you only make 3 layers instead of 4, you wouldn't have the whipped cream filling layer

and would only use it to frost the cake. So if someone would prefer a different cake-to-filling ratio, that would be the way to go and still have all of the flavor and texture components of the cake.

4 layers:
Cake
Vanilla pastry cream filling
Cake
Whipped Cream filling
Cake
Chocolate pastry cream filling
Cake
Frost with remaining whipped cream

3 layers:
Cake
Vanilla pastry cream filling
Cake
Chocolate pastry cream filling
Cake
Frost with remaining whipped cream

 
When we ordered this type of cake from bakeries in our area of NJ, we would be..

given options as to fillings and liquors--and frostings.

With an outside frosting of whipped cream, I see no reason to have a cream filling.

The choices would include any variation of vanilla or chocolate pastry creams---or a cannoli cream filling.

On the vanilla pastry cream they would add fruit---or not--depending on preference.

Options on soaking would be rum or strega.

Options on frosting would be whipped cream or butter cream.

The sides would be covered with toasted sliced almonds.

The choices are yours--any variation would be good--now I want one.

 
Thanks guys. What I have decided will be to make......

the cake a 3 layer, with pastry cream and chocolate cream and then a vanilla buttercream. I think the whipped cream would get crushed and since I am trying to make the cake as I remember it from the Italian bakery I would buy it from.

 
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