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If SOPA passes this site will most likely be closed down.
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That would be a shame.
I'm a refugee from a forum in which the level of rudeness finally became too much to overlook. I have really enjoyed it here. I hope something can be worked out.
I'm a refugee from a forum in which the level of rudeness finally became too much to overlook. I have really enjoyed it here. I hope something can be worked out.
michael-in-phoenix
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From what I understand, the intent was to stop copyright infringement and piracy...
...in the movie/music industry. Illegal downloads are costing the entertainment industry billions of dollars.
As usual, when the goverment takes the lead, the collateral damage creates a bigger problem than the legislation solves. "Unintended consequences" are practically automatic.
Then there's always the conspiracy issue. Is the government actually trying to increase censorship and cloak it in legislation designed to eradicate piracy? Highly possible.
The intent may have been sincere, but the legislation is highly flawed, IMHO.
Michael
...in the movie/music industry. Illegal downloads are costing the entertainment industry billions of dollars.
As usual, when the goverment takes the lead, the collateral damage creates a bigger problem than the legislation solves. "Unintended consequences" are practically automatic.
Then there's always the conspiracy issue. Is the government actually trying to increase censorship and cloak it in legislation designed to eradicate piracy? Highly possible.
The intent may have been sincere, but the legislation is highly flawed, IMHO.
Michael
richard-in-cincy
Well-known member
So true, when the disengaged self-serving interest...
of politicians, especially the clueless species peculiar to the US Congress, are roused to action, look out, because the little people will be hurt.
I have been watching in horror at the complete cluelessness of these politicians as they pretend and feign false competence, that they are qualified to pass laws about technology they are completely ignorant of.
The ranking member of the intellectual property subcommittee of the US House Judiciary Committee was speaking at the hearings and he demonstrated, quite clearly, that he did not have a clue what the various technologies are, what they do, nor what the SOPA bill would do to them. In other words, clueless politicians once again, ruining our lives. How do such incompetent people manage to keep these cushy well-paying jobs???
As Thomas Jefferson, my favorite American patriot, said (who would have understood the technologies if he were alive today): "Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom."
It's up to all of us to speak up and preserve our freedoms.
of politicians, especially the clueless species peculiar to the US Congress, are roused to action, look out, because the little people will be hurt.
I have been watching in horror at the complete cluelessness of these politicians as they pretend and feign false competence, that they are qualified to pass laws about technology they are completely ignorant of.
The ranking member of the intellectual property subcommittee of the US House Judiciary Committee was speaking at the hearings and he demonstrated, quite clearly, that he did not have a clue what the various technologies are, what they do, nor what the SOPA bill would do to them. In other words, clueless politicians once again, ruining our lives. How do such incompetent people manage to keep these cushy well-paying jobs???
As Thomas Jefferson, my favorite American patriot, said (who would have understood the technologies if he were alive today): "Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom."
It's up to all of us to speak up and preserve our freedoms.
Here is what I think about this: When a recipe writer publishes their recipes in a cookbook
or posts them on a blog for the entire world to see, it now is the property of anyone who wishes to print it off, as it should be. If the writer wants total control over their recipes, don't publish them.
I used to make greeting cards using rubber art stamps. It was the same problem. I would buy a 25.00 rubber stamp, go home and make a beautiful card, using that stamp, but my design, and the rubber stamp artist said...you cannot sell that card. BULL! It is my stamp, I paid for it, used my paper and my labor.
The same with recipes, I bought the food, used my labor to make the recipe, with a few tweaks here and there and it is mine. Am I wrong to think this way?
or posts them on a blog for the entire world to see, it now is the property of anyone who wishes to print it off, as it should be. If the writer wants total control over their recipes, don't publish them.
I used to make greeting cards using rubber art stamps. It was the same problem. I would buy a 25.00 rubber stamp, go home and make a beautiful card, using that stamp, but my design, and the rubber stamp artist said...you cannot sell that card. BULL! It is my stamp, I paid for it, used my paper and my labor.
The same with recipes, I bought the food, used my labor to make the recipe, with a few tweaks here and there and it is mine. Am I wrong to think this way?
desertculinary
Well-known member
The bill was withdrawn today.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/os-megaupload-shut-down-arrest-kim-dotcom-20120120,0,3705603.story
http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/os-megaupload-shut-down-arrest-kim-dotcom-20120120,0,3705603.story
When a writer publishes a book, it is copyrighted and anyone seeking to reproduce content
must (technically) contact the publisher.
What you're talking about it the "fair use" policy, which allows for **limited** reproduction, typically when other writers quote that recipe in their own work. For example, using another genre, if you want to quote more than a line or two of John Lennon's song "Imagine," in print or on a blog, you either go through the music publisher or you risk colossal fines.
Most non-bestselling writers realize that obscurity, not piracy, is *usually* the issue for them, so they're often happy for their work to be quoted.
Just changing the order of ingredients or restating the recipe instructions is not enough to create a new work--that violates copyright. (Sure, thousands of bloggers do it every day.) To avoid copyright violation, you have to **substantially alter** the recipe and the instructions. No one can copyright the quantities or order they're listed in, but they can copyright the text of the instructions.
/cookbook-publishing nerd
must (technically) contact the publisher.
What you're talking about it the "fair use" policy, which allows for **limited** reproduction, typically when other writers quote that recipe in their own work. For example, using another genre, if you want to quote more than a line or two of John Lennon's song "Imagine," in print or on a blog, you either go through the music publisher or you risk colossal fines.
Most non-bestselling writers realize that obscurity, not piracy, is *usually* the issue for them, so they're often happy for their work to be quoted.
Just changing the order of ingredients or restating the recipe instructions is not enough to create a new work--that violates copyright. (Sure, thousands of bloggers do it every day.) To avoid copyright violation, you have to **substantially alter** the recipe and the instructions. No one can copyright the quantities or order they're listed in, but they can copyright the text of the instructions.
/cookbook-publishing nerd
It is all rather complicated, isn't it? So many bloggers make it hard to copy a recipe and then my
question is, why are you putting it out here? Others have a print button. I have seen pictures of my food photo shoots on other sites but they have give me credit and also Linda. No one has ever contacted me however.
question is, why are you putting it out here? Others have a print button. I have seen pictures of my food photo shoots on other sites but they have give me credit and also Linda. No one has ever contacted me however.
To be honest, I don't think it's that complicated, but I've spent some time dealing with rights and
copyright. Copyright is easier to defend in print/e-book form, because the copyright is registered with the U.S. Copyright Office as part of pre-production, and there's a record.
Bloggers who license their work via an organization like CreativeCommons have already handed out permission to use the work in some form, which is not the case for, say, a book printed on paper or in e-book form. Many bloggers who think they're using CC to *copyright* their work are actually pre-authorizing use of it.
Edited to add: Sorry if this sounds grumpy--I need another cup of coffee! smileys/smile.gif
copyright. Copyright is easier to defend in print/e-book form, because the copyright is registered with the U.S. Copyright Office as part of pre-production, and there's a record.
Bloggers who license their work via an organization like CreativeCommons have already handed out permission to use the work in some form, which is not the case for, say, a book printed on paper or in e-book form. Many bloggers who think they're using CC to *copyright* their work are actually pre-authorizing use of it.
Edited to add: Sorry if this sounds grumpy--I need another cup of coffee! smileys/smile.gif
On the Pioneer Woman Tasty Kitchen site there are thousands of recipes copied from books/foodtv with
no mention whatsoever of the source. word for word recipes. drives me nuts. One woman posted "Outrageous Brownies" as her own, and it's Ina Garten's recipe, word for word. I wrote in the comments on that recipe that it was an Ina Garten recipe and should be given credit. not snarky or mean, just factual. I got a reply back from the "moderators" of that forum that in the future I should not make such a comment, but tell them directly as they try really hard to monitor that. HAH, they do not. it's a train out of control over there.
no mention whatsoever of the source. word for word recipes. drives me nuts. One woman posted "Outrageous Brownies" as her own, and it's Ina Garten's recipe, word for word. I wrote in the comments on that recipe that it was an Ina Garten recipe and should be given credit. not snarky or mean, just factual. I got a reply back from the "moderators" of that forum that in the future I should not make such a comment, but tell them directly as they try really hard to monitor that. HAH, they do not. it's a train out of control over there.