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heather_in_sf
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I was wondering the same thing. Should we do a roll call? Is everyone on the beta site?
I miss the "old days".
I miss the "old days".
heather_in_sf
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I just went to the beta site. No offense but I don't like it.
It doesn't work well on my iPhone using the desktop mode, the mobile version is unusable. I don't like the "Facebook" style. When I type in a status I can't see the entire text box which makes it hard. The text box is very shallow, unlike here where you can enter a long comment or recipe and see the whole thing.
I really appreciate the work it must have taken to get our site back but I don't want a drastic change like the beta version. Is there a reason it has to change? Do we have options here? It seems like it might separate our group.
Apologies if I sound negative, I am providing my honest reaction.
It doesn't work well on my iPhone using the desktop mode, the mobile version is unusable. I don't like the "Facebook" style. When I type in a status I can't see the entire text box which makes it hard. The text box is very shallow, unlike here where you can enter a long comment or recipe and see the whole thing.
I really appreciate the work it must have taken to get our site back but I don't want a drastic change like the beta version. Is there a reason it has to change? Do we have options here? It seems like it might separate our group.
Apologies if I sound negative, I am providing my honest reaction.
I agree - I'd be much happier to keep this site as is. I haven't been able to sign into
the Beta Version, but from the look of the homepage, I'm not happy with it. The "Like" feature, "Add new Friends," Create your own groups," etc., I can do without.
The old format is what we've all been waiting for to be restored. So now that it's been done, why not leave it as is?
As much as I appreciate all the work that's been done by Paul, and whoever else is involved, I think most of us would prefer the original format of our forum. Of course, I can't speak for anyone else, so I hope others will chime in with their opinions.
the Beta Version, but from the look of the homepage, I'm not happy with it. The "Like" feature, "Add new Friends," Create your own groups," etc., I can do without.
The old format is what we've all been waiting for to be restored. So now that it's been done, why not leave it as is?
As much as I appreciate all the work that's been done by Paul, and whoever else is involved, I think most of us would prefer the original format of our forum. Of course, I can't speak for anyone else, so I hope others will chime in with their opinions.
I totally agree with Meryl, I love our site the way it was and with the restoration is.....I also
wish that we can retain this version. I tried to log on to the Beta site and can not....I also do not care for it.
I know that this has been a tremendous undertaking and I appreciate all the hard work of everyone involved and don't want to hurt anyone, but, I really love our "old" eat.at.
wish that we can retain this version. I tried to log on to the Beta site and can not....I also do not care for it.
I know that this has been a tremendous undertaking and I appreciate all the hard work of everyone involved and don't want to hurt anyone, but, I really love our "old" eat.at.
michael-in-phoenix
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I'm going wait patiently for the beta site to evolve. I think with Mimi and Maria's input...
...Paul should be well aprised of what we are looking for. I assume he's still got our priorities in mind.
I had to create a new account to gain access, and then I couldn't find the forum, at least not in a form I could comfortably navigate. I'm thinking Paul has a lot of work left to do.
Michael
...Paul should be well aprised of what we are looking for. I assume he's still got our priorities in mind.
I had to create a new account to gain access, and then I couldn't find the forum, at least not in a form I could comfortably navigate. I'm thinking Paul has a lot of work left to do.
Michael
as I have said repeatedly
the Swap is the same. You can participate in the other elements of the site - or not. It is your choice. If you have no intention of participating in modern social elements. I have no problem with that at all. I've gone out of my way for years to accommodate you with the existing Recipe Swap. It is an ancient, clunky thing that is difficult to administrate and maintain. But it is here. Exactly the same and you are free to use it.
Why do things have to change? Well first of all, as I have said this is not an either / or proposition. It is both. The Swap is here. It is the same. You are free to use it. So maybe you prefer this but realistically you are part of a very small minority. But I am not telling you - hey you have to get with the program and enter the 21st Century Already! I'm saying OK, here it is but for those people who prefer the 2011+ Internet we have an option for them too. So how is this a problem for you?
But to clarify the "change" question - for one thing, because there are some realities to running a web site such as updating the software. A typical website runs on a server or servers that include:
1) Operating System e.g. Linux
2) Web server e.g. Apache
3) Database e.g. mysql
4) Scripting engine e.g. php
These are just the fundamentals before you even get to the "website." Each of these elements are updated continually. These updates are both for evolving functionality, fixes and for security. Eventually if you have a piece of software/script that runs on such an environment, and it is not likewise updated and developed, it will simply stop working as the compatibility is increasingly deprecated. Even if it does not stop working per se, at any given point in time, there are security issues to be concerned with.
The Internet is constantly evolving as are the ways it is accessed. So maybe The Swap looks one way on your Windows 98 PC (which you are very happy with thank you very much); but to the guy on his 2011 Macbook Pro running the latest Firefox browser it is something totally different. As a web developer you have to account for that. And frankly if you are still using Internet Explorer 6 (and for many developers now - IE 7) most web developers have no respect for you whatsoever. Not to say out of some personal disdain but that they simply do not account for it any more. It is very difficult to account for even the very latest Internet Explorer and Microsoft continue to pollute the Internet with their proprietary garbage and developers are forced to try to continually create "fixes" for it.
The Swap is based upon some software created by web development standards - in "ancient times" and the original developer no longer supports it - and hasn't for years now. While it is easy to think of a website like a car or some other commodity there is no real analogy to be made. The Swap is not a beautiful 1936 Chevrolet Pickup that can just putter along regally because a website does not exist in a vacuum. The Internet is a bunch of computers both desktop and server - and now mobile and tablet that have to get along and play nice together. If we keep this analogy going then with a website not only are the vehicles evolving but so are the roads, the tires, the fuel, the street signs, the traffic lights, the rules of the road, safety standards etc. and even the drivers. So you can package your site to look like the 1936 Chevy P/U and that can be cool and retro - but it isn't that that old beauty any more. You had to come up with a completely new creation not made in the factory in Michigan and it took a lot of extra effort to do so.
Most forums in the world today are powered by a handful of options. In most of these cases e.g. phpBB, smf, vbulletin; these forums have teams of developers. In some cases they have a world-wide base of 3rd party developers. I am guessing that in the case of phpBB for example they have thousands of 3pd.
As far as I know, the Recipe Swap is the only forum in the world right now still running this software. There may be some others but regardless there is no developer support other than myself or whoever I can hire to help out.
the Swap is the same. You can participate in the other elements of the site - or not. It is your choice. If you have no intention of participating in modern social elements. I have no problem with that at all. I've gone out of my way for years to accommodate you with the existing Recipe Swap. It is an ancient, clunky thing that is difficult to administrate and maintain. But it is here. Exactly the same and you are free to use it.
Why do things have to change? Well first of all, as I have said this is not an either / or proposition. It is both. The Swap is here. It is the same. You are free to use it. So maybe you prefer this but realistically you are part of a very small minority. But I am not telling you - hey you have to get with the program and enter the 21st Century Already! I'm saying OK, here it is but for those people who prefer the 2011+ Internet we have an option for them too. So how is this a problem for you?
But to clarify the "change" question - for one thing, because there are some realities to running a web site such as updating the software. A typical website runs on a server or servers that include:
1) Operating System e.g. Linux
2) Web server e.g. Apache
3) Database e.g. mysql
4) Scripting engine e.g. php
These are just the fundamentals before you even get to the "website." Each of these elements are updated continually. These updates are both for evolving functionality, fixes and for security. Eventually if you have a piece of software/script that runs on such an environment, and it is not likewise updated and developed, it will simply stop working as the compatibility is increasingly deprecated. Even if it does not stop working per se, at any given point in time, there are security issues to be concerned with.
The Internet is constantly evolving as are the ways it is accessed. So maybe The Swap looks one way on your Windows 98 PC (which you are very happy with thank you very much); but to the guy on his 2011 Macbook Pro running the latest Firefox browser it is something totally different. As a web developer you have to account for that. And frankly if you are still using Internet Explorer 6 (and for many developers now - IE 7) most web developers have no respect for you whatsoever. Not to say out of some personal disdain but that they simply do not account for it any more. It is very difficult to account for even the very latest Internet Explorer and Microsoft continue to pollute the Internet with their proprietary garbage and developers are forced to try to continually create "fixes" for it.
The Swap is based upon some software created by web development standards - in "ancient times" and the original developer no longer supports it - and hasn't for years now. While it is easy to think of a website like a car or some other commodity there is no real analogy to be made. The Swap is not a beautiful 1936 Chevrolet Pickup that can just putter along regally because a website does not exist in a vacuum. The Internet is a bunch of computers both desktop and server - and now mobile and tablet that have to get along and play nice together. If we keep this analogy going then with a website not only are the vehicles evolving but so are the roads, the tires, the fuel, the street signs, the traffic lights, the rules of the road, safety standards etc. and even the drivers. So you can package your site to look like the 1936 Chevy P/U and that can be cool and retro - but it isn't that that old beauty any more. You had to come up with a completely new creation not made in the factory in Michigan and it took a lot of extra effort to do so.
Most forums in the world today are powered by a handful of options. In most of these cases e.g. phpBB, smf, vbulletin; these forums have teams of developers. In some cases they have a world-wide base of 3rd party developers. I am guessing that in the case of phpBB for example they have thousands of 3pd.
As far as I know, the Recipe Swap is the only forum in the world right now still running this software. There may be some others but regardless there is no developer support other than myself or whoever I can hire to help out.
michael-in-phoenix
Well-known member
Ok. I'm clear on it now. We are dinosaurs who are unrealistically clinging...
...to a forum model that is becoming practically impossible to maintain due to advances in technology that create compatibility issues and the ever-growing threat of security breaches.
If we're this much trouble, why are you even bothering? It can't be cost effective, right? Why not just go ahead and drive a stake through our hearts, those of us that web developers have no respect for anyways?
I simply thought the new site was going to work like this one, and the beta site was working toward that. I was wrong. My mistake. Sorry, Paul. Didn't mean to insinuate that you had missed the mark. I also didn't mean to sound ungrateful. You have done us a fine service, and, now that I have read your post, I am even more impressed that you are providing this forum at all.
Michael
...to a forum model that is becoming practically impossible to maintain due to advances in technology that create compatibility issues and the ever-growing threat of security breaches.
If we're this much trouble, why are you even bothering? It can't be cost effective, right? Why not just go ahead and drive a stake through our hearts, those of us that web developers have no respect for anyways?
I simply thought the new site was going to work like this one, and the beta site was working toward that. I was wrong. My mistake. Sorry, Paul. Didn't mean to insinuate that you had missed the mark. I also didn't mean to sound ungrateful. You have done us a fine service, and, now that I have read your post, I am even more impressed that you are providing this forum at all.
Michael
Please let's be fair. And patient. I'm thrilled to see that our years of posts have been restored
and that the old swap format is available for those of us who prefer it. I really didn't think they'd be able to retrieve it.
Paul and Maria were really clear that the new magazine this swap will be a part of was not ready for unveiling yet when we found a way in to the swap. It's like guests who discovered the dessert before you planned to serve it.
and that the old swap format is available for those of us who prefer it. I really didn't think they'd be able to retrieve it.
Paul and Maria were really clear that the new magazine this swap will be a part of was not ready for unveiling yet when we found a way in to the swap. It's like guests who discovered the dessert before you planned to serve it.
Paul's post was EXCELLENT...let me clarify...
Basically he is saying that this swap format is so old that it is increasingly difficult to run on the modern Internet infrastructure that continues to evolve at lightning speed (this is a gross oversimplification but that is the gist of it).
Eventually, we won't even be able to run this software anymore on modern servers...it just won't be compatible anymore. I don't know when that will be, it could be years yet, but...keep that in the back of your mind. That is one reason why we need a Plan B.
Basically he is saying that this swap format is so old that it is increasingly difficult to run on the modern Internet infrastructure that continues to evolve at lightning speed (this is a gross oversimplification but that is the gist of it).
Eventually, we won't even be able to run this software anymore on modern servers...it just won't be compatible anymore. I don't know when that will be, it could be years yet, but...keep that in the back of your mind. That is one reason why we need a Plan B.
Thanks for the additional details Mimi, I was just making light of it. It is apparent that this
infrastructure is dated, but we still love it!!
Thanks again for clarification and managing expectations.
All of the hardwork that went into putting us back on line is so much appreciated!
Best,
Barb
infrastructure is dated, but we still love it!!
Thanks again for clarification and managing expectations.
All of the hardwork that went into putting us back on line is so much appreciated!
Best,
Barb