Speaking of canning - best water type canner? Thinking of upgrading from my stockpot

mariadnoca

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I'd already read most folks like the All American for a pressure canner, but I'm not ready for something like that I don't think. However, I'd like to be able to make more than the 5-6 small jars of jam at a time in my stockpot. Having a rack to do hopefully double that (stack small jars?) seems like it would be good thing if they make something like that.

I had no idea there are so many price-points for a waterbath canner. Basically, I've just seen the graniteware one at the hardware store and now I see steam/water bath combo units online. Thoughts?

 
Wait, there is oven canning? Anyone have the The Blue Chair Jam Cookbook? REC: Early Girl Tomato Jam

She demos her oven jar method to sterilize and then can/seal in the oven, sorta, as it's shortened for tv, in this clip from her appearance on MS. Seems if it was unsafe to can in the oven, not sure how she could be selling her jam done this way:



Early Girl Tomato Jam
From The Blue Chair Jam Cookbook

This most simple of tomato jams reminds us that tomatoes are a fruit, and one of the very best. Early Girl tomatoes, especially when dry farmed, are spectacularly sweet and thick skinned. Mace and salt bring our their flavor perfectly.

9 pounds medium sweet tomatoes, such as Early Girl
3 pounds 15 ounces white cane sugar
2 1/4 ounces strained freshly squeezed lemon juice
1 small blade of mace
2 small pinches of salt

Place a saucer with five metal teaspoons in a flat place in your freezer for testing the jam later.

Bring a medium kettle of water to a boil, then carefully drop the tomatoes into the water to loosen their skins. Leave the tomatoes immersed for 1 minute, then drain them in a large colander. When they are cool enough to handle, peel them over a large heat-proof mixing bowl, discarding the skins. Place a cutting board on a rimmed baking sheet and chop the tomatoes into medium pieces. Transfer the tomatoes and their juices back into the mixing bowl. Add the sugar and lemon juice, stirring well to combine. Transfer the mixture to an 11- or 12-quart copper preserving pan or a wide nonreactive kettle. Place the mace into a fine-mesh stainless-steel tea infuser with a firm latch and add it to the mixture.

Bring the jam mixture to a boil over high heat. Add the salt and decrease the heat slightly. Skim off any surface foam with a large stainless-steel spoon. Continue to cook, monitoring the heat closely, until the jam thickens and no longer seems watery, 30 to 45 minutes. Scrape the bottom of the pan often with a heatproof rubber spatula, and decrease the heat gradually as more and more moisture cooks out of the jam. For the final 15 to 20 minutes of cooking, or when the jam starts to visibly thicken, stir the jam gently and constantly to prevent burning.

To test the jam for doneness, carefully transfer a small representative half-spoonful to one of your frozen spoons. Replace the spoon in the freezer for 3 to 4 minutes, then remove and carefully feel the underside of the spoon. It should be neither warm nor cold; if still warm, return it to the freezer for a moment. Nudge the jam gently with your finger; if it seems thickened and gloppy when you nudge it, it is either done or nearly done. Tilt the spoon vertically to see how quickly the jam runs; if it runs very slowly, and if it has thickened to a cohesive consistency, it is done. If it runs very quickly or appears water, cook it for another few minutes, stirring, and test again as needed.

When the jam is ready, remove the mesh tea infuser. Skim any remaining foam from the surface of the jam. Pour the jam into sterilized jars and process according to the manufacturer's instructions or as directed on page 42 (of the cookbook).

Approximate Yield: eleven to twelve 8-ounce jars Shelf Life: 1 year

 
I just have a cheap granitewear with a rack from Walmart. I rarely use the rack to raise or lower

I put it in the bottom to keep jars from being directly on the pan bottom & use my tongs to put in & take out. I use the canner more for canning than jam. Most jam recipes don't make more than 5 or 6 jars & I think you can run into problems when you double them. For most my stockpot is fine. It takes forever to bring a canner full of water to a boil & it is extremely heavy. I don't use it unless I just have to.

 
For jams and jellies ONLY I can recommend a steam canner: . . .

I use one all of the time. Process jams/jellies for 10 minutes. The above is NOT recommended for canning fruits/high acid tomatoes, pickles. These are quick to fire up (not nearly so much water to boil) and use.

Want a cheap big pot? Haunt your local thrift stores regularly and keep an eye out for canning kettles. I see them several times a year in our local thrift shop. Also, if you have spanish/hispanic markets close to you, look for an enamel wear tamale pot; I have one of these and still use it upon occasion for both canning and tamales. If you ever stop at yard sales, especially estate sales ALWAYS ask if they have any canning kettles/pots/supplies they need to sell. LOOK FOR TALL POTS WITH LIDS; a rack is a bonus, but usually you can find a rack to fit the bottom elsewhere or you can even make your own rack or use a towel on the bottom of your kettle to keep your jars away from the metal pot base. Tall pots will allow you the necessary water and air space above your jars and will allow you to stack jars if necessary, so TALLER is BETTER.

For general all purpose jam/jelly/high acid fruit canning, I would recommend a large, lightweight stainless steel stock pot with a rack on the BOTTOM only. You will get double use out of this: you can preserve in it, and if the pot is tall enough you can get a second rack and stack boiling-water bath can-able items in it (so they have at least 2 inches of water over the tops of the jars and another couple of inches of air space over the top of the water to allow for water boiling without slop-over). AND you can make stock/soup out of it.

If you are using the tiny 4 oz jars or 8 oz jars, you can easily stack in a boiling water bath canner/stockpot/kettle.

And for tall quart jars, I have been using my All American pressure canner base-pot as a bw bath canner, so not only can I pressure can low-acid foods (veggies and meats and certain tomato products) I can take care of those big jars of just tomatoes too!

Please feel free to e-mail me via this site if you have other questions. I have been making a bunch of jams this year and processing them in my steam canner, and have been making canned salsas and processing those in my b-w bath pot.

http://www.amazon.com/Back-Basics-400A-7-Quart-Aluminum/dp/B0000DDUCJ

 
Trying again: I don't know what to tell you about use on a flat top stove. . .

or why this one is not recommended for a flat top stove. Maybe the shallow base is grooved like the top?

Sorry!

 
This one looks good, stainless steel, so you can use it as a stock-pot too. . .

I am not too sure about their gauge though; if it breaks, you are stuck with just a lid.

 
I consulted St. Google, and found that some sites say that one should not an at all on a flat top

stove!!

There seems to be no evidence for any of this, except that the weight might be too much, but other wise it's all guesswork. In a very brief look, this is what I found:

http://www.doityourself.com/stry/safe-canners-for-glass-top-stoves
If you have a glass stove you probably need to avoid certain types of pressure steam canners. It is said that in some cases, steam canners might release suddenly the steam and cause cracks on the surface of the stove. You should always check with the manufacturer and the manual of the stove you have, to see if the model you own can work properly with steam canners. In any case, you should avoid the light pressure canners, because they can release steam easily and damage your stove.

http://www.pinchingyourpennies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-97756.html
I have been told the reason not to can on a ceramic flat top stove is because the pan is larger than the heat source and that is not good for the ceramic top. I called USU extension this year to ask if the steam canners have been approved yet. They said they have not been approved by the FDA to be safe but I know several people that use them.


So I suppose I'll wait a bit, and see if any actual facts turn up before I buy one. Except for marmalade, I have been making mostly small batch jams for the past couple of years, so I suppose I don't really need one.

 
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