Tried & True "Cook Event"? WDYT?

Paul

Paul

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I'd like to really improve and refine the Tried & True section. The good people and the daily sharing in the Recipe Swap is the primary force of the site but as I see it, the T&T is a sort of legacy element of the Recipe Swap. And by that I don't mean that it is grandfathered, I mean that it is a legacy to share. It is a curated effort of many people: Collective wisdom. We've already been together (in various iterations) for decades now. I've been using and sharing recipes from here with my children for years. I have grandchildren now and some of my kids weren't even born when the Recipe Swap started. So it is truly generational. I've learned a lot here. Others have shared with me personal stories and gratitude for how it has been significantly meaningful for them. So it seems like a worthy endeavor.

You may have seen the Broken Links Bounty Hunters thread. One of the issues that I'd like to start with is fixing any broken links in the T&T recipe posts. The other is, adding media to the recipes. This would include photos, video or attachments like a pdf for a recipe or complimentary material that is relevant to the recipe. A few years back we started a "Cook the book" concept. How about cook the T&T and take photos/video of the process/results? We pick a recipe and several of us agree to cook and share our results?

I'm considering running a contest and maybe some kind of awards for the best contributors. What do you think?
 
Before I think about it too much, I believe that this site and all you do for it/us, ARE the reward. Not sure how you would determine a 'winner' but I suspect that an award would be redundant.

The T&T idea is a fun one and seems like an excellent way to remind us of the relevance of that section. I wish I had more reason to cook, such as a person to cook for, but I would certainly take on a project or two. I agree that there are some real gems that have come out of our sharing; celebrating them by remaking them and posting photos would be fun. I often smile about the names I attach to certain recipes (or some version of them) that I make so often. Their actual titles have disappeared and have been replaced by: Richard's this, Pat's that, Charlie's advice, Cathy's mom's pork roast; so many others have contributed to my in-head recipe file.

More thinking to come...............................
 
I’m in. I don’t have anyone but me to cook for these days, but I’ll certainly pitch in!

PS I don’t do fb, but assume some of you are in contact with swap folks of old there, maybe you could entice them to come back for another group project? 😁
 
@mariadnoca takes the lead!

Lemon Madeleine’s

Lemon Madeleine’s 4 eggs, separated 1 1/2 cups sugar 1 1/4 cups melted butter 1 tbsp lemon juice 2-1/3 cups sifted flour Preheat oven to 325 degrees. Beat yolks at high speed with the sugar, melted butter and lemon juice. When mixture is smooth and thick, reduce speed on mixer and blend...
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FYI the T&T forums require approval for posts/media so if you add media to a recipe thread in one of the T&T forums, it will go into an approval queue. This is only in the T&T forums because they are curated and (special).

thanks @mariadnoca
 
Lol! I’m looking through some recipes to see if I have a photo some place, then I realize…oh…that must’ve been with some old camera card I don’t even have the ability to use anymore, or worse, it was taken with a film camera!
 
Question: There are a lot of links from Olga that were deleted. I'm not sure if she put them there herself before
the "3 recommendation vote to include" and so deleted them? Or if they were linked to her own website and then deleted? Or what?
I'm just not sure what to do with those.
 
marilynfl said:
Question: There are a lot of links from Olga that were deleted. I'm not sure if she put them there herself before
the "3 recommendation vote to include" and so deleted them? Or if they were linked to her own website and then deleted? Or what?
I'm just not sure what to do with those.
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As I recall she started her own website then deleted everything she had on here. As I see it each thread in the T&T section should only be for a specific recipe in that category i.e. a particular beef recipe in the T&T>Beef category. The discussion threads that exist on their own should not be there so they can be moved to the Recipe Swap forum. If a thread is totally empty because Olga deleted her post, then that thread can be deleted. If there are orphaned replies, we could move them to the Recipe Swap.
 
I think they were act t&t recipes we all voted on, but when she moved over to her own site she then deleted. Does everyone see those deleted posts or just us? I don’t think I saw them till I got mod privileges. 🤷🏻‍♀️ If we want to keep the stand alone recipes in t&t of hers (and others see them) we could just add a link to the recipe over there like any other blog. I can do it if we want.
 
mariadnoca said:
I think they were act t&t recipes we all voted on, but when she moved over to her own site she then deleted. Does everyone see those deleted posts or just us? I don’t think I saw them till I got mod privileges. 🤷🏻‍♀️ If we want to keep the stand alone recipes in t&t of hers (and others see them) we could just add a link to the recipe over there like any other blog. I can do it if we want.
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There are cases where a deleted post might be hidden from public view but still accessible to a moderator but I don't think that is the case here. For example this post:

VENEZUELAN CHRISTMAS HALLACAS also served in Colombia

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Let's distinguish first. So SOP would be "deleted post" would mean that a post was actually deleted e.g. deleted by a moderator. In this case the post wasn't actually deleted but he content of the post was deleted. So the problem with this is that the posts remain but are just empty. It could get really problematic if these kind of erased posts were thread starters. So anything like that were it is just a recipe title we should either get the original recipe or just remove it.
 
Ok, so I updated that post with a link to the recipe over at her site. Would we want that or is it weird to do that? (only for t&t posts) I ”edited silently“ because I don’t want to kick any post up top to make it look new and start new conversations with it. Don't think t&t post do that, but not sure. I remember she went inside to delete content, not sure if she could delete entire post back then.
 
mariadnoca said:
Ok, so I updated that post with a link to the recipe over at her site. Would we want that or is it weird to do that? (only for t&t posts) I ”edited silently“ because I don’t want to kick any post up top to make it look new and start new conversations with it. Don't think t&t post do that, but not sure. I remember she went inside to delete content, not sure if she could delete entire post back then.
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I think for T&T the recipe should be on site. If a site changes or goes offline then we are back to the same issue.
 
I love the idea of the cook and post T & T. Will be out of the country for a week but will start as soon as I return. Thanks Paul and all. I think the reward will be in the cooking,tasting and fun. As I have recently found a friend to cook for this will be an added incentive.
 
Paul said:
I think for T&T the recipe should be on site. If a site changes or goes offline then we are back to the same issue.
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If it is in T&T, someone will have the recipe, by default. We could then hope that one of those someones is still around. For the sake of not being "weird" as Maria described it, might we just rely on our own resources to reinsert the recipe rather than latching on to another site, particularly as in this case, the original contributor chose to delete it herself. I think I would feel a bit iffy about freely using another site in this way, without permission, when it is evident that such a link was not wanted. Olga could have done the redirecting herself but chose to disappear altogether.

I certainly believe that once we post a recipe, we give it up to the site. I remember 2 recipes that I created long ago on Gail's, that were grabbed by Epicurious and posted without any credit. I always felt a tiny bit miffed about that but I knew the rules.

As for the reference to it being blank in T&T, doesn't seem to make sense to me to leave it there at all, unless for the sake of asking people to go to the blanks and see if they have a copy to fill them. And then is there a question as to whether users should have the right to remove recipes once they make it as far as T&T?

ACK, I haven't even had breakfast yet.
 
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marg-cdn2 said:
If it is in T&T, someone will have the recipe, by default. We could then hope that one of those someones is still around. For the sake of not being "weird" as Maria described it, might we just rely on our own resources to reinsert the recipe rather than latching on to another site, particularly as in this case, the original contributor chose to delete it herself. I think I would feel a bit iffy about freely using another site in this way, without permission, when it is evident that such a link was not wanted. Olga could have done the redirecting herself but chose to disappear altogether.

I certainly believe that once we post a recipe, we give it up to the site. I remember 2 recipes that I created long ago on Gail's, that were grabbed by Epicurious and posted without any credit. I always felt a tiny bit miffed about that but I knew the rules.

As for the reference to it being blank in T&T, doesn't seem to make sense to me to leave it there at all, unless for the sake of asking people to go to the blanks and see if they have a copy to fill them. And then is there a question as to whether users should have the right to remove recipes once they make it as far as T&T?

ACK, I haven't even had breakfast yet.
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Recipes are not copyright-able but I could see how if you had a recipe that you created where there might be a scenario where you wanted to take it down. But realistically once you put something on the Internet it is out there forever. Mass deleting of post content seems pretty wrong. You take advantage of the community then you just 'take your ball and go home' as the saying goes, when you find a bigger and better deal? But worse you leave a mess in your wake. I didn't quite get this until seeing the original posts were not even original recipes. That makes no sense to me. Seems almost vindictive. But no logical reason otherwise that I can see.
 
Ok, I’m going through t&t recipes and adding recipes w a link back to her site — if that recipe is posted there. I’ve found a few that aren’t. So far I’ve done appetizers, beef, and beverages. Will work my way through all of t&t.

(Per talking previously with the owner of the recipe app I use, this is how they’ve done it to comply so are able to use the 🍎 store, so assume this would meet any legal wrangling. Also, many of these list the original source as someplace else. So feel all bases are covered.)
 
Paul has nailed it with the "not copyrightable"--and the several other observations he made above. If I recall correctly that was a precipitous and surprising occurrence.
If I am understanding that the title is there but not the content, maybe it should just be deleted completely? Or are we trying to restore it from our own members who have it?
 
Paul said:
Recipes are not copyright-able but I could see how if you had a recipe that you created where there might be a scenario where you wanted to take it down. But realistically once you put something on the Internet it is out there forever. Mass deleting of post content seems pretty wrong. You take advantage of the community then you just 'take your ball and go home' as the saying goes, when you find a bigger and better deal? But worse you leave a mess in your wake. I didn't quite get this until seeing the original posts were not even original recipes. That makes no sense to me. Seems almost vindictive. But no logical reason otherwise that I can see.
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"Take your ball and go home" - I think you captured it there.

I remember, many years ago, laughing at a chef who had noted "copyright" on 'his' recipe for red velvet cake, which we had all been making for the previous 30 years.
 
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