Urrrgh!!! THAT did not work out well, not the most successful at all.....

joanietoo

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All this pizza talk and as it was just us 2 tonight I thought I'd try...The toppings were fine...one was caramalized onions and Gruyere, the other pesto and grilled red pepper...the dough turned out AWFUL. I am not a baker, I know.

I made it this morning, trying to be so organized, it rose well and I punched it down. Then just before time to cook I rolled out 6 balls and set them aside.

I used Judy-Mass recipe....

I used a pizza tile right on the coals...set the pizza dough on one side on the hot tile for a "whistle and a song" turned it over and put the topping on and put it back to finish off. The topping bubbled and seemed wonderful...the dough, Very thin, very "dood-gooi" (literally 'dead-throw') although very crispy in places, much too doughy in others....???????

What did I do wrong?

I made it in the processor. It rose well but after rolling (perhaps too thinly) it did not rise again. The flavour was great even so.

The flap steak I did as well was absolutely delish, thank goodness.

I want to perfect this pizza on the fire thing, Help!

 
Joanie, you're a braver soul than I. That's why I've stayed away from pizza dough or any yeast

dough for that matter - whenever I see "yeast" in a recipe, I run the other way. I really should try one, though. I admire your courage.
Now a cake, that's a different matter - I never run from making one of those, especially of the chocolate persuasion!
I'm sure one of the pizza experts will be along to help you out with some tips.

 
Joanie, You can't go wrong with Peter Reinhart's recipe and method. Hope this helps.....>.

Wonderful article. I think I am now going to get his book.

The best grilled Pizza I have ever had was in Providence, Rhode Island when my son attented College there. The restaurant Al Forno is very famous for their grilled pizza. Just writing about it makes my mouth water. We had his Graduation Dinner there and had the most wonderful meals there, not only the pizza.

http://www.italianchef.com/grilledpizza.html

 
Joanie, the problem is not the recipe...

I make a lot of pizza dough and I think I know what the problem is. The recipe is a good one- the one I use is very similar so I know it is fine.

You made the dough in the morning but didn't use it until the evening, right?

Dough does not hold up well all day. When I make dough I make it an hour before I use it. That way I punch it down and form the pizza crust then let it rise again (I use rapid rise yeast) then sauce it or put on the grill. If you make it in the morning, punch it down once then let it go all day it will kill the yeast eventually.

Next time make the dough close to when you will use it or else make the dough and refrigerate it then let it come back to room temp and rise before using.

 
No, it is me!..LOL!...trying to be too organized and YES!...

I did make the dough in the AM.
I left out the rolled dough overnight to see what would happen, it is so warm here ... and this AM it looks and feels like it could make good pasta!

This is prolly why I don't do "yeasty" things much. It means last minute stuff!??! I NEVER feel this sort of pressure with any other form of cooking...Starting an hour and a half before for a 'casual' meal and interrupting a busy project afternoon is too last minute...

I'll try this again but next time I will measure all ingredients and set them out and then take a few to mix it together...Time and Motion study is the name of the game, I guess.

Will the dough do well in a bread machine. I have never owned one. Don't know if I'll use it often enough with the disasters I have with yeast.

 
My pleasure, Joanie. I'm sure you will be the pizza maven when you master the recipe.

 
But the toppings were yummy!....

I made a pesto with basil, garlic, pine nuts and mozzeralla...what could go wrong with that. The caramalized onions and gruyere were great (if a little sweet for my tastes)so at least all was not lost.
I want to lick this "yeast" problem I have. So I'll try it again, I guess.
We are not pizza lovers...the Domino type ones ....but the French thin crust ones with all the yummy type toppings cooked over the coals sounds so appealing and relaxed.
I have to get it right.

 
How about dispensing with the rolling pin & just using your hands & fingers to stretch & shape it as

thin as you can get it. Then letting it rise for maybe 15 min most.

I use the same as Judy's recipe. I think the ww flour is important, but just a little as hers indicates. I also add a bit of ground rosemary to the dough and don't use molasses.

 
Doesn't have to be last minute but there are "rules" to follow with dough

Yes, the bread machine would make good pizza dough but you still need to be aware of the timing. If you feel pressured by making the dough later in the day just make it in the morning and put it in the refrigerator then take out an hour or so before using it.

I use my food processor to make dough and it takes less than 5 minutes to make. I let it "knead" in the machine then take it out, give it 5-6 quick manual kneads then plop it in a plastic grocery bag on the counter to rise. I use plastic so the dough doesn't dry out. When it has doubled (poke two fingers down into the dough and see what happens when you take the fingers out- if the indentations stay, it is ready. If the indentations fill up, it still needs to sit a while)

Marg suggests using your hands to shape the dough- it is what I do. I never use a rolling pin unless I need cracker-thin crust.

Yeast is a living organism and it makes the rules. Once you activate it then you must follow the rules. Refrigerating the dough is one way to slow the process down but yeast will only stay useful for a certain period of time- then it is dead and useless which leads to "yeast disasters". It is not scary stuff- once you understand the "life cycle" of the yeast you will not have problems with it again.

Don't give up! Try again!

 
Yes, Ma. LOL! Thanks for all the good....

advice. I bought some fresh whole wheat flour and yeast and will follow your suggestions.
I make a mean focccacia and whole wheat bread (which is more like a cake)and roti and naan but white bread, rolls and now this pizza elude me.
I will try, try and try again.
I think I over rolled the dough as well, striving for that crispy thin crust.
I am going to try to make some on the gas barbie in the next few days if I can. I'll let you know, and no rolling pin!
How thick do you make the crust and also can one freeze the left over dough and if so at what stage.

 
Marg, .......

I am sure I over rolled the stuff, going on all the good advice Cathy is giving me.
I just think I was trying to be over organized, too much of a hurry to get it all done and very unrelaxed about the whole venture....end of a long day.
I have been building 'hurricane bunkers' for the hens and ducks with the gardener. It is hot and horrid out and I now know that block wall building and kitchen cooking, especially something new, just don't go together.
I'll do the next lot of pizza dough as a one and only project.
(It's annoying... I usually find it all so easy to 'throw' together something tasty and quick. Looking forward to unwinding with a yummy supper, then only to have to scrape off part of the meal to eat it, and feeling just too tired to make something else.)
Oh, well...and the first of the storms is here bearing down on the States. Cuba has plenty of rain, I wish we could get some of that rain, although not yet as the concrete roof isn't done on the hens bunker yet.

 
I agree with Cathy on the frig. I used to make breads that rose, overnight in the frig. ....

a long, slow rise makes a wonderful loaf.

I'm sure next pizzas will be just great!

 
Joanie, I use this recip from Fine Cooking magazine, and it has good tips on using the dough...

I like the instructions on how to refrigerate and freeze the dough, depending on how much time you have. I've posted the text here, but I've also linked the site, with a few pictures.

We like a fairly thin crust (but not cracker thin), and I usually roll it out with a pin.

Yesterday, we made a simple pizza on a panini grill. After the first rise, I divided the dough into 5 balls, rubbed a little olive oil over each ball, rolled them out, and placed each one on a square of parchment, and stacked the five pieces. (If the dough seems too rubbery, and shrinks back after you roll it, go away, and let it sit for 10 minutes, then try again smileys/smile.gif

I stuck the whole stack in the fridge, then a coupla hours later, take one round, and place it on a panini grill. Close the panini grill and cook for a few minutes, until it gets a little puffy, and lightly browned. Put on your sauce, fully cooked toppings and cheese and bake with the panini grill open, just until the cheese melts.

With small pizza like this, everyone gets to customize their own toppings. Eat hot smileys/smile.gif

The one thing to remember with grilled pizzas is to keep the toppings fairly sparse, since there's no heat on the top, and you're relying on the bottom heat to heat up your toppings and melt the cheese.

Easy Pizza Dough to Make and Freeze
Recipe by Evan Kleiman
From Fine Cooking #49

Easy Pizza Dough

You can make the dough a day or a couple of weeks ahead. Put the individual balls in zip-top bags and refrigerate overnight or freeze for longer.

Yields four balls of dough for four individual 8-inch pizzas; 1-3/4 pounds total.

1 package (2-1/4 tsp.) active-dry yeast
1-1/2 cups very warm water (110°F)
18 oz. (4 cups) all-purpose flour; more for dusting
1-1/2 tsp. salt
2 Tbs. olive oil

Make the dough -- Dissolve the yeast in the warm water and set aside (a Pyrex 2-cup measure makes for easy pouring; be sure the cup isn't cold).

Meanwhile, put the flour and salt in a food processor fitted with the steel blade; process briefly to mix. With the machine running, add the water-yeast mixture in a steady stream. Turn the processor off and add the oil. Pulse a few times to mix in the oil.

Divide the dough -- Scrape the soft dough out of the processor and onto a lightly floured surface. With lightly floured hands, quickly knead the dough into a mass, incorporating any bits of flour or dough from the processor bowl that weren't mixed in. Cut the dough into four equal pieces with a knife or a dough scraper. Roll each piece into a tight, smooth ball, kneading to push the air out.

Rising and storing the dough:
What you do next depends on whether you want to make pizza right way or at a later date.

If you want to bake the pizzas as soon as possible, put the dough balls on a lightly floured surface, cover them with a clean dishtowel, and let them rise until they almost double in size, about 45 minutes. Meanwhile, turn your oven on, with the baking stone in it, to let the stone fully heat.

If you want to bake the pizzas tomorrow, line a baking sheet with a floured dishtowel, put the dough balls on it, and cover them with plastic wrap, giving them room to expand (they'll almost double in size), and let them rise in the refrigerator overnight.

To use dough that has been refrigerated overnight, simply pull it out of the refrigerator about 15 minutes before shaping the dough into a pizza.

To freeze the dough balls, dust each one generously with flour as soon as you've made it, and put each one in a separate zip-top bag. Freeze for up to a month.

It's best to transfer frozen dough from the freezer to the refrigerator the night before (or 10 to 12 hours before) you want to use it. But I've found that dough balls pulled straight from the freezer and left to warm up on the counter will be completely defrosted in about 1-1/2 hours. The dough is practically indestructible.

Shaping your pizza:
Put the proofed or thawed ball of dough on a lightly floured wooden board. Sprinkle a little more flour on top of the ball. Using your fingertips, press the ball down into a flat cake about 1/2 inch thick.


Flatten the ball into a cake. Flour your fingers -- and the board -- for easier handling. Stretch the dough to a thickness of about 1/4 inch by using the backs of your hands or a rolling pin.

Lift the dough and lay it over the back of the fist of one hand. Put your other fist under the dough, right next to your first fist. Now gently stretch the dough by moving your fists away from each other (see Video). Each time you do this stretch, rotate the dough. Continue stretching and rotating until the dough is thin, about 1/4 inch, and measures about 9 inches across. Unless your dough is still cold from the freezer, it will be so soft that its own weight will stretch it out. Alternatively, use a rolling pin to roll out the dough thinly on a floured board. If you like a very thin pizza, roll the dough out to a 10-inch round. Be careful not to make it too thin, and remember that the thinner the pizza, the less topping it can handle.

Rub a bit of flour onto a wooden pizza peel (or the back of a baking sheet). Gently lift the stretched dough onto the floured peel. Top the pizza, scattering the ingredients around to within 1/2 inch of the border.

Topping your pizza:
For some people, pizza isn't pizza without the scarlet of tomatoes peeking through the cheese, but there are many delicious savory combinations that show off fresh seasonal produce. It's better to use winter vegetables like greens or even canned tomatoes when fresh tomatoes are out of season.

To get you started, here are two of my favorite ways to top a pizza -- plus lots of suggestions for combinations to inspire your own designs.

To make the Angeli Caffé's favorite, Pizza al Caprino -- Over the shaped pizza, scatter 10 to 15 cloves roasted or slow-cooked garlic, 5 to 6 oil-packed sun-dried tomatoes (drained and sliced), 3 ounces crumbled goat cheese, a few capers, and a pinch of oregano. Drizzle with extra-virgin olive oil.

To make a simple flatbread -- Scatter sliced garlic (3 to 4 cloves), minced fresh rosemary (from 1 small sprig), and coarse salt over the dough. Make several 1/2-inch slashes to keep the dough from puffing up. Drizzle with lots of extra-virgin olive oil before baking, and garnish with Parmesan. Serve this delicious "Pizza Aglio e Olio" with a salad or cheese.

To design your own pizza -- Use any of these topping combinations to inspire your own creation. A generous drizzle of olive oil is a great addition to just about any pizza.


Sautéed onions, fresh sage leaves, grated pecorino romano, grated Parmesan.

Basil pesto, toasted pine nuts, slow-cooked garlic, grated Parmesan.

Sautéed leeks, chopped artichoke hearts, a bit of crushed tomatoes, grated Parmesan.

Italian Fontina, Gorgonzola, sun-dried tomatoes.

Garlic, olives, capers, anchovies, and crushed tomatoes.

Sliced tomatoes, mozzarella, fresh basil.

Thinly sliced prosciutto, ricotta, fresh basil, grated Parmesan.

Cooked Italian sausage, sautéed onions, Italian Fontina, mozzarella.

Sautéed mushrooms, thinly sliced cooked potatoes, Gorgonzola, crumbled cooked bacon or pancetta.

Baking your pizza
Put a pizza stone or unglazed terra-cotta tiles on the lowest rack of the oven and heat the oven to 500°F. Ideally, let the stone heat in the oven for an hour.

Shake the peel (or baking sheet) gently back and forth to make sure the pizza isn't stuck. If it seems stuck, lift the edges up with a spatula and toss a bit of flour under the dough. Quickly slide the pizza onto the hot baking stone. Bake until the edges are golden, about 8 min. Using a peel, a wide spatula, or tongs, remove the pizza from the oven.

http://www.taunton.com/finecooking/pages/c00196_rec02.asp

 
Did I say I just bought some 'fresh' whole whest flour?? I opened it to , well you....

know, to practise making the dough again and the darn bag is full, just FULL!!! of weavils.....It's too hot to go back to the store now....the yeast is fine though.

 
Sandi, this sounds good and easy and NO whole Wheat Flour????.....

I'm glad I open up FK...I'm going to try this . Thanks

 
Joanie, if you are making your pizza dough with WW flour that may be

why it isn't rising the second time. I love WW bread but I think pizza is a "white bread" thing.

 
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